Maryland Lawmakers Pass Law to Give Illegal Aliens In-State Tuition Benefit

Now illegal aliens have more rights than U.S. citizens?

They do...lol...please explain/expound...How many more 'rights' do undocumented workers have over legal citizens?

No wonder Americans are pissed off

Probably because politicians do a fantastic job at confusing/lying to the populace.

No federal taxpayer aid to Maryland. It would be supporting illegals which is against the law. Where is the DOJ? Why are they taking Maryland to court? This violates federal law.

Where is the DOJ? Why are they taking Maryland to court? This violates federal law.

Well I guess the feds missed these other states as well...lol...from the article...

Since 2001, 10 states have enacted laws to allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates at public universities. They are California, Illinois, Kansas, Nebraska, New York, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah and Washington.

...How many more 'rights' do undocumented workers have over legal citizens?

Their health care is free at the county hospital. Property owning citizens pay twice, once in county taxes and again at the hosipital when services are rendered. Illegals DO indeed have more rights than citizens. Then there is education. That's free too. We can't ask them if they have legal documentation.

Well, at least for now they must at least be able to speak and comprehend English, as well as having evidence of the ability to learn, in order to go to college. That should limit the pool quite a bit.

Can't blame them for coming over after seeing so many of our own citizens living better than them and not even having to work for it.

Their health care is free at the county hospital

If someone doesn't have insurance and goes to the county hospital for an emergency they will be seen - no matter what their status is.

Property owning citizens pay twice,

And the property owning undocumented workers? Oh yeah that's right many of them do own property and pay taxes....c'mon Bubba.

Illegals DO indeed have more rights than citizens.

At yet you've been unable to demonstrate it....but now that you've claimed such...LOL....it must be true ;).

Then there is education. That's free too. We can't ask them if they have legal documentation.

Again not if they're paying property taxes. Same old boring generalized myths...

Lol I hope the people of Maryland enjoying being screwed hey guys bend over and grab your ankles 8) we here in Cali have been getting it for years.

Again not if they're paying property taxes.

They don't have to pay twice I do. They can't be asked for documentation at the hospital. They ask me for employment verification and i pay for the services. Over half of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals. Citizens have to pay, illegals can't be asked for documentation and they don't pay.

In California Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, has proposed a measure that would exempt undocumented motorists from vehicle-impound laws.

Under current law, police can impound for 30 days the vehicle of a motorist caught driving without a valid license. Cedillo's bill would exempt those who don't have a license because they are not legal U.S. residents.

So if you are a US citizen driving without a license, they take your car away.

If you are an illegal alien, not only do they not arrest you and deport you, they just wave you on your way.

They don't have to pay twice I do. They can't be asked for documentation at the hospital. They ask me for employment verification and i pay for the services.

If you were unemployed and had an emergency you would still be seen.

Over half of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals.

Source?

Citizens have to pay, illegals can't be asked for documentation and they don't pay.

That still doesn't support this bull@!$%# claim you wrote...

Illegals DO indeed have more rights than citizens.

Being unable to pay/having no insurance and showing up to the ER is hardly a right reserved only for undocumented immigrants.

Over half of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals.

Source?

It's the busiest maternity ward in the country. Who did you think was footing the bill?

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/parkland-memorial-hospital-in-dallas-texas-illegal-immigrants/blog-180359/

It's the busiest maternity ward in the country. Who did you think was footing the bill?

LOL...your source is a blog that pretty much plagiarizes their bull@!$%# source - snopes.com. What nonsense...

LOL...your source is a blog that pretty much plagiarizes their bull@!$%# source - snopes.com. What nonsense...

Would MSNBC be a better source for you? They say the same thing. 70% of babies born at Parkland are born to illegals. Who do you think is paying for that?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14172601/ns/nightly_news/

Awesome - from you article...

The hospital estimates about 70 percent of them are delivered by undocumented mothers.

This is not the same as what you claimed...here it is...

Over half of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals.

You do know what an estimate is right Bubba...as in there is no way for them to actually be sure? And by the way this article was originally written (as was the other) back in '06 so again your claim is nothing more that an inflated bull@!$%# guesstimate.

I'll also still be waiting for you to prove how undocumented immigrants have MORE rights than US citizens...

back in '06

Yes, and 5yrs later the problem is worse. Illegals recevie free health care and education, citizens must pay for it. Now Obama forces me to purchase health care as well. Illegals aren't forced to purchase health insurance. They have more rights than citizens.

Yes, and 5yrs later the problem is worse.

Source?

Illegals recevie free health care and education, citizens must pay for it.

Another generalized statement that is simply not true.

Illegals aren't forced to purchase health insurance. They have more rights than citizens.

Oh you're too @!$%#ing cute ;). Not paying or paying into the new health care system has absolutely nothing to do with rights. Not to mention that still does not prove your original contention.

Not paying or paying into the new health care system has absolutely nothing to do with rights.

Illegals have a right to choose to say no to insurance. Mr Obama took my right to choose. Illegals have more rights than citizens.

Illegals have a right to choose to say no to insurance. Mr Obama took my right to choose. Illegals have more rights than citizens.

Though I completely disagree with this silly statement - an undocumented would still not have even close to more rights than a US citizen. Why do you insist on lying? Do you not understand the what the word "more" means?

an undocumented would still not have even close to more rights than a US citizen.

I live with illegals. They know the system is a big joke. I don't blame them for taking advantage of the stupidity of the federal government. I do the same thing when I can.

If someone is driving without a license in California, they will impound your car if you are a legal residence, they will let you keep your car if you are an illegal alien.

I don't blame them for taking advantage of the stupidity of the federal government. I do the same thing when I can.

Yep - I'm sure most of us do Bubba. You could remove the word stupidity (in your comment) however and replace it with humanitarian efforts /compassion, as there are many who view it this way - taking care of their fellow Man.

If someone in this country illegally can pay cheaper tuition in Maryland than a U.S. citizen from Virginia, what would YOU call it?

For the undocumented immigrant I would call it one small advantage in a lifetime of disadvantages.

And for the "undocumented burglar" one small advantage in a lifetime of disadvantages is free stuff from other people's houses.

And for the "undocumented burglar" one small advantage in a lifetime of disadvantages is free stuff from other people's houses.

Ah...another person who thinks all undocumented immigrants are thieves. Are you one of these people at the rally ;)?

If someone is driving without a license in California, they will impound your car if you are a legal residence, they will let you keep your car if you are an illegal alien.

That sounds plausible (financial reasons) but do you have a source for this?

I do not think all undocumented immigrants are thieves, just criminals.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263237/burdens-citizenship-john-derbyshire

Ok just a side note - both you and Bubba need to realize that someone's blog is not a reputable/reliable source for information. In this instance, something from LAPD's website would have been sufficient.

That being said - from the blog, this seems to be a LAPD department policy only not a state wide California law.

Also, though the blog didn't mention it, this may have to to do with undocumented immigrants not possessing the proper paperwork for their cars and/or the money to get it our of the impound lot. So the he cops have decided its in their best financial interest to not impound their cars. I'd be willing to bet their lots were getting filled up with people who never claimed their cars.

There were lots of references, just could not find the original press release from some LA politician.

The LA pol said that since illegal aliens were unable to get licenses it was not fair to impound their cars, and it would prevent them from getting to work (something that apparently did not concern about legal residents).

I'd prefer to just arrest and deport the people and sell the cars.

Hmmm, so they give benefits based solely on multiple violations of the law. Violate immigration law and drive illegally? Here's your free pass

The LA pol said that since illegal aliens were unable to get licenses it was not fair to impound their cars, and it would prevent them from getting to work (something that apparently did not concern about legal residents).

Yes I read the blog - of course the LAPD only proclaims the humanitarian reasons behind the policy. There is no doubt that the immigration issues are primarily used for political jostling.

If someone that enters this country 'illegally' has any rights at all (other than the right to be arrrested and deported), it is more than they deserve. Follow the legal process and your 'rights', along with your responsibilities, will be restored.

Follow the legal process and your 'rights', along with your responsibilities, will be restored.

Oh that old yarn again - for many this will never ever be an option.

May not be easy, but it is the legal way. May not be easy going to work everyday either, but it beats the illegal way of stealing from others to support yourself.

May not be easy, but it is the legal way. May not be easy going to work everyday either, but it beats the illegal way of stealing from others to support yourself.

First off there's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being impossible. Either way this seems to be another common response/attitude - undocumented immigrants sneak into the US because its the easy way out and/or they are just lazy. That is so wrong/untrue on both accounts.

IMO anyone truly serious about solving our illegal immigration issues needs to first look/understand why our neighbors are fleeing in such large numbers and help those respective countries resolve their mass exoduses.

Building walls, deportation, etc...these things accomplish nothing if the source is not dealt with.

We let in, what, a million legal immigrants per year. That seems like a reasonable rate.

I'd personally limit it to people with a strong grasp of the English language, and perhaps force them to post a bond that would be refunded after ten crime free years as a resident.

First off there's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being impossible.

People are doing it so its obviously not impossible.

Either way this seems to be another common response/attitude - undocumented immigrants sneak into the US because its the easy way out and/or they are just lazy. That is so wrong/untrue on both accounts.

You just claimed the legal way was impossible, so by simple logic sneaking in IS the much easier way. If its untrue, then was is 'the truth' as you seem to see it? Why are they illegally crossing the border if not because its the easier route?

IMO anyone truly serious about solving our illegal immigration issues needs to first look/understand why our neighbors are fleeing in such large numbers and help those respective countries resolve their mass exoduses.

And this is the same response/excuse that every apologist gives. We know why people flee Mexico. It is neither our job nor responsibility to solve Mexico's problems. Nor does Mexico seem too keen on having us help them other then giving them money which gets embezzled. Additionally, fixing Mexico's issue is not something that can be done very quickly, you are talking decades of work and requiring the people of Mexico to change themselves, which we have no control over.

So, in the meantime, there are measures that we must take. It is not an option to simply do nothing or make it easier for more people to come here when we have problems supporting the people we do have. Anyone who is serious about discussing/solving the problem must acknowledge and face that reality.

They do...lol...please explain/expound...How many more 'rights' do undocumented workers have over legal citizens?

Sure, just as soon as you explain how it is that you missed the question mark at the end denoting the asking of a question and not the making of a claim.

Good assessment FL. Unfortunately, some folks are so emotionally cranked up over this issue that they will never acknowledge the facts. There is absolutely no logical reasoning that can support our current immigration policy. Our only hopes are that we can limit the damage already done by closing the borders completely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ&NR=1

These summarize it up clear enough for anyone to understand the severity of the problem. Professors say that one of the biggest problems for this generation is the inability to distinguish fact from opinion. If presented facts that do not agree with their 'feelings', they just choose to ignore the facts. That would be the opposite of 'logical thinking'.

People are doing it so its obviously not impossible.

Click on the link I provided in 1.31.

You just claimed the legal way was impossible,

No I didn't. Read a little closer this time...here's what I wrote.

for many this will never ever be an option.

Many is not all...

Why are they illegally crossing the border if not because its the easier route?

Click on the link I provided and educate yourself.

We know why people flee Mexico. It is neither our job nor responsibility to solve Mexico's problems.

Bull@!$%# - the US is a huge cause of Mexico's current woes. We have pretty much single handily financed the Cartels of Mexico (and other drug exporting nations to the South) via our illegal drug trade. These Cartels for decades have been making money hand over fist (some more than their own respective governments) - terrorizing their own people.

So typical for a country to @!$%# all over another (our own neighbors at that) and then turn their heads and wash their hands of the mess - out of sight out of mind.

Additionally, fixing Mexico's issue is not something that can be done very quickly, you are talking decades of work

Maybe more...

We have pretty much single handily financed the Cartels of Mexico (and other drug exporting nations to the South) via our illegal drug trade

Speaking of which why isn't the Obama Administration doing anything about it, not to mention the fact that recently CBS News broke the ATF GUnrunning scandal going public with the fact that for the last 2+ years the ATF has been sellling weapons to drug cartel leaders and Eric Holder is just letting it happen.

Damn that Latino Vote must be awfully important to ole Barack.

To be fair, I suppose we could mirror Mexico's immigration laws.

And stop illegal residents from sending money across the border as we would not want to be "@!$%#ting on them."

Damn that Latino Vote must be awfully important to ole Barack.

No - its important to every politician. Do me a favor and keep your political bull@!$%# to yourself.

And stop illegal residents from sending money across the border as we would not want to be "@!$%#ting on them."

Yes lets stop people from sending money back to their poverty stricken families - good idea.

Or how about if the failed US drug prohibition ended there would be a sharp decline in dollars being sent back from drug profits - curbing both the Cartels all the way down to our domestic street gangs. Insanely high drug profits are what's harming the people of Mexico and helping the Cartels bribe politicians, judges, LE, etc...

Much as I hate to admit it San, I agree with you on that last part.

I'd legalize and tax all drugs, both as a freedom thing, and for the harm the war on drugs does here and abroad.

Santino

Click on the link I provided in 1.31.

I already had before I responded to you.

No I didn't. Read a little closer this time...here's what I wrote.

I suggest you read closer. I provided your full quote when I responded the first time.

Click on the link I provided and educate yourself.

Do you actually have an interest in having a conversation or do you just want to act like you are all knowing about the subject and no one else knows anything? As I stated before, I already clicked on the link and nothing in there disputes that idea that is easier to cross illegally than it is to follow the law.

Bull@!$%# - the US is a huge cause of Mexico's current woes. We have pretty much single handily financed the Cartels of Mexico (and other drug exporting nations to the South) via our illegal drug trade.

While it is true that many in the US desire drugs, no one forced people in Mexico to provide them. No one forced Mexican politicians to not deal with the issues on their side of the border to make working for drug cartels a more desirable position. The US did not force Mexican politicians to be corrupt and allow the cartels to get so big to the point where they can no longer stand up to them.

Dont try to act like its all nothing but the fault of the US because people here want drugs and our idiotic government for decades has engaged in the ridiculous war on drugs. Mexico made plenty of its own bad choices that led to the current situation.

So typical for a country to @!$%# all over another (our own neighbors at that) and then turn their heads and wash their hands of the mess - out of sight out of mind.

So typical for someone to blame someone else for all the woes instead of acknowledging their own failings that helped lead to the current circumstances. Mexico's corrupt politicians, judges, military, citizens, etc are their own problem and their own fault. Not ours. Those people had played their own role in causing this mess.

Or how about if the failed US drug prohibition ended there would be a sharp decline in dollars being sent back from drug profits - curbing both the Cartels all the way down to our domestic street gangs. Insanely high drug profits are what's harming the people of Mexico and helping the Cartels bribe politicians, judges, LE, etc...

Even if we did end the prohibition, which I think we should, do you honestly think these people are going to give up their entrenched power? No, they will not. They will merely shift to something else. No one ever gives up power willingly, especially these type of people.

I suggest you read closer. I provided your full quote when I responded the first time.

Un@!$%#ingbelievable - block quote where I wrote 'the legal way is impossible for all' or stop making @!$%# up.

Do you actually have an interest in having a conversation or do you just want to act like you are all knowing about the subject and no one else knows anything?

People who make false accusations about what I've written is what concerns me here.

As I stated before, I already clicked on the link and nothing in there disputes that idea that is easier to cross illegally than it is to follow the law.

And where did I claim such? What I claimed (which was in retort to badchess's comment "its not easy but it's legal) is that for some it is and never will be possible to legally immigrate to the US. For that demographic it is impossible.

Dont try to act like its all nothing but the fault of the US because people here want drugs and our idiotic government for decades has engaged in the ridiculous war on drugs. Mexico made plenty of its own bad choices that led to the current situation.

Our idiotic government is the US buddy and guess what the US can control - its own drug policies.

So typical for someone to blame someone else for all the woes instead of acknowledging their own failings that helped lead to the current circumstances.

When did I say Mexico's current corrupt government is not also to blame? Stop putting words in my mouth or block quote where I've said such...seriously WTF? You've been on the Vine a lot longer than me - you should know better.

No, they will not. They will merely shift to something else.

I'm sure they said the same thing about the Mob during alcohol prohibition and look where they are now - practically nonexistent. Let me know if you can think of any other illegal industry that even comes close to the black market drug trade.

If you take away their money - what goes along with that are the political influence, guns, ammo, etc...

No - its important to every politician. Do me a favor and keep your political bull@!$%# to yourself.

Do me and everyone else a favor and practice what you @!$%#ing preach. Other than that, as this is a PUBLIC forum, my opinions are pretty much in your face although you could do me a huge favor and put me on ignore.

Anything else on your mind?

So what happens when some drunk guy realizes that he has to pay more for his bottle, because he is helping to finance tuitions for illegals?--lol--This is wrong on so many levels--basically penalizing the residents of the state, who want to get a college education, and for that matter, the out of state, students who wish to attend their schools, have to pay more than a illegal, non-american citizen!!! Boycott this state, and their schools, for ciding with non-americans..

Do me and everyone else a favor and practice what you @!$%#ing preach.

Awesome now show me and everyone else where in the @!$%# (in my almost 2 years posting on NV) that I've ever done such. Now that we've got that settled - please stop derailing the thread.

Un@!$%#ingbelievable - block quote where I wrote 'the legal way is impossible for all' or stop making @!$%# up.

Unbelievable is correct. There is no reason to swear.

I never said you said 'the legal way is impossible for all'. You just added that qualifier (for all) now. It was not part of the previous conversation. I quoted what you said the first time, which you could have easily scrolled up and read (#1.35). But since you didnt and felt the need to act as if you didnt say what you said here it is again:

First off there's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being impossible.

It was your first sentence in post 1.33. Now, if you want to try and say you meant something else, go ahead. But in the flow of the conversation, it certainly looks like you were saying the legal process was more than just difficult, that it was impossible. This was probably a bit of an exaggeration of your part. You could easily have just said that and refined your statement instead of spazzing out.

So what were you saying about "making @!$%# up"?

Do you actually have an interest in having a conversation or do you just want to act like you are all knowing about the subject and no one else knows anything?

People who make false accusations about what I've written is what concerns me here.

I asked that question because of your condescending attitude and language, which you continue. I did not see anyone making false accusations other than you accusing me of making up your statement from 1.33, although I could have missed if others have done it.

And where did I claim such? What I claimed (which was in retort to badchess's comment "its not easy but it's legal) is that for some it is and never will be possible to legally immigrate to the US. For that demographic it is impossible.

This is really getting tedious. Just re-read the previous conversation again and look at your answers, or lack there of. And you know what, its even worse/funnier, because here you repeated again how for some its impossible when you were just accusing me of making it up that you said it was impossible.

The only people it is really impossible for are criminals and Im willing to bet most people are fine with that. Everyone else has the ability to learn new languages, new skills, to put themselves in a better position. Maybe they dont get here directly, maybe they have to go to another country first and work their way up to get here. For some it will be harder than others, but it is doable.

I'm sure they said the same thing about the Mob during alcohol prohibition and look where they are now - practically nonexistent

The difference is they went after the Mobsters first and continued to go after them. And the Mob still continued and does so to this day. At that time they shifted to more heavily to gambling and gave us Las Vegas. They still exist today, they just arent as public, but dont let that fool you.

It was your first sentence in post 1.33. Now, if you want to try and say you meant something else, go ahead. But in the flow of the conversation, it certainly looks like you were saying the legal process was more than just difficult, that it was impossible

Incorrect - the flow of the conversation was such...

Tchem:

Follow the legal process and your 'rights', along with your responsibilities, will be restored.

Me:

Oh that old yarn again - for many this will never ever be an option.

In which Tchem replies:

May not be easy, but it is the legal way.

And then I said:

First off there's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being impossible.

Meaning - the legal process is impossible for those who do not qualify. There are many who do not qualify - you'd know that if you actually read the link I provided.

Now, if you want to try and say you meant something else, go ahead.

No I meant exactly what I wrote.

The only people it is really impossible for are criminals and Im willing to bet most people are fine with that.

Well this just says it all now doesn't it - you really didn't bother to read the link provided.

For some it will be harder than others, but it is doable.

Spoken like a true self-entitled American. Please tell me you emigrated from a poverty stricken nation otherwise...well...you can fill in the blanks.

Now that we've got that settled - please stop derailing the thread.

Settled in your mind perhaps. This thread is about Maryland lawmakers, that would be politicians., but it was YOU who brought up the drug cartels so perhaps you need to point that accusatory finger right at the middle of your chest, because all I did was reply to something YOU said. Furthermore, this is neither your thread nor do I see you listed as being on the newsvine staff.

Perhaps YOU need to stop derailing the thread simply because you don't like what someone else says.

Santino42

You just did exactly what I suggested you do, which was clarify your statement. In your head you may have meant what you wrote, but that is not what you wrote. Theres a different between:

First off there's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being impossible.

and

the legal process is impossible for those who do not qualify. There are many who do not qualify - you'd know that if you actually read the link I provided.

Well this just says it all now doesn't it - you really didn't bother to read the link provided.

Yes, I did read it but I dont think you did or at least you dont understand it No one in that graphic is void of a way to gain what is needed to have a chance.

Even if you took the worst possible route, which would be no family in the US and not skilled, a person can become skilled at something. It may be harder to afford it or get the opportunity, and for some it will take longer than others, but it is possible.

Spoken like a true self-entitled American. Please tell me you emigrated from a poverty stricken nation otherwise...well...you can fill in the blanks.

Did I emigrate? No, my father did from Jamaica. It wasnt easy but he did it. Did you?

And the only blank that really needs to be filled in is the one in your head. It is currently filled with self-importance and childishness that we frankly dont need on the site. You may not be familiar with putting people on ignore but I bet, with your attitude, your name and ignore lists are well known.

Sorry for any derailment I contributed to. Im done with this petulant sidetrack.

Theres a different between:

Yes the difference is YOU made the assumption that I was implying it's impossible for all people to immigrate here legally. That's why instead of you asking me to clarify...the first statement/question/accusation you made to me was this...

People are doing it so its obviously not impossible.

And then this...

You just claimed the legal way was impossible,

I never claimed such and you have been unable to block quote where I have. That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a conversation - making accusations instead of asking for clarification.

No one in that graphic is void of a way to gain what is needed to have a chance.

That is unless you lack the means to have a college degree, are an unskilled laborer, have no family in the US, a job lined up...etc...

Did I emigrate? No, my father did from Jamaica. It wasnt easy but he did it.

So you can't personally make the claim if it is "doable" or not.

Did you?

No I did not. Family came over on the boat in '55 from Sicily.

It is currently filled with self-importance and childishness that we frankly dont need on the site.

Avoid making bull@!$%# claims about me and you'll need not worry. Never been suspended once on NV - an impeccable record so far.

Enjoy the Vine as I always do...

They aren't "undocumented immigrants" they are Illegal Aliens

If they could obtain their documents legally tomorrow (without repercussions) I'd be willing to bet about 99.9% would apply for citizenship. That is why they should be called undocumented immigrants IMO.

I understand their plight,

Do you - do you really? How many do you know/have you met and talked to personally?

but the large number of illegals alone in this country is having adverse effects on this country. Surely, you can see that.

Illegal immigration is a minuscule portion of the woes currently effecting the US.

Illegal immigration is a minuscule portion of the woes currently effecting the US.

"The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every "native-headed" household in America."

The costs to taxpayers in California alone is over $10 billion each year on illegal immigration. I wouldn't call these figures 'minuscule'...and neither would the working American taxpayer. The only ones who might call them minuscule would be the ones on the receiving end of the benefits and not the paying end.

This is not about people...it is about policy, as policy that is unsubstainable.

"The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every "native-headed" household in America."

Why do you have this in quotes if you didn't provide the link and/or source it came from?

The costs to taxpayers in California alone is over $10 billion each year on illegal immigration. I wouldn't call these figures 'minuscule'...and neither would the working American taxpayer.

No I would call them misleading. Hmmmm - I'm wondering if these seemingly inflated stats take into account how much undocumented immigrants put back into the system also?

This is not about people

Actually the human factor is what I focus on more than anything and what so many others seem to callously ignore.

I'm wondering if these seemingly inflated stats take into account how much undocumented immigrants put back into the system also?

Actually, those stats DID take into account the contributions. However, when subtracting the costs the total went in the red quickly. You won't have to dig far to find all the stats you want showing the unsubstainability of our current policy. Keep your head in the sand and you won't have to look at the facts (ignorance), but you will sure notice them in the quality of life around you.

If you are so concerned about the human factor why don't you work three jobs so you can support a couple more poor families (take your pick from about 5.6 billion people)....but that would require you to put your $$ where your mouth is. As long as you are referring to money that is not yours (taxpayers), of course you don't mind spending.

Actually, those stats DID take into account the contributions. However, when subtracting the costs the total went in the red quickly. You won't have to dig far to find all the stats you want showing the unsubstainability of our current policy.

That's nice - you provided the quote now where/what was the source?

Keep your head in the sand and you won't have to look at the facts (ignorance), but you will sure notice them in the quality of life around you.

The quality of life has decreased in the US, however that has little to do with illegal immigration in the grand scheme of things. Take the blinders off for a second and look at the bigger picture.

If you are so concerned about the human factor why don't you work three jobs so you can support a couple more poor families

LOL...oh that's too cute ;). I love it when people on NV pretend to know me....@!$%#ing brilliant.

But this "minuscule portion" can be fixed by obeying the laws of this country.

Yes it could.

I have to obey all the laws, why not illegal aliens.

You have that luxury - many undocumented immigrants do not. As stated earlier if they could obey every law and not enter the country illegally most would have.

Is this too much to ask?

For many it is but not all.

At no other time in this country have we had so many people here illegally.

At no other time have we had so many people living on this planet - your point is?

I simply ask that they do it legally, not circumvent our laws to accomidate their needs.

"Accommodate their needs" eh? An interesting way to describe going into desperation/family survival mode. Doesn't sound like someone who truly sympathizes/understands the grim situation many face as they risk their lives via sneaking into the US to help feed and clothe their families.

You have that luxury - many undocumented immigrants do not

So just what is it that prevents illegal aliens from having the 'luxury' of following immigration law?

Yes the difference is YOU made the assumption that I was implying it's impossible for all people to immigrate here legally.

No, I used and quoted your words. If your words did not properly convey what you meant to say then that is your own fault.

I never claimed such and you have been unable to block quote where I have.

Yes you did and yes I did, you apparently just dont have the integrity to admit it even though its right there in black and gray.

That is unless you lack the means to have a college degree, are an unskilled laborer, have no family in the US, a job lined up...etc...

See this is where you brain is having a hard time understanding or you just like to make excuses. They have the ability to get a college degree, it may take alot more work for some than others and take a lot longer but its not impossible. If they are unskilled labor, they have the ability to become skilled, again it may be harder and take more work for some than others but it can be done. Having a job lined up, again would require work and effort on their part but its possible. Even having family in the US is possible since they could marry into it, so while its probably unlikely, even that is not impossible.

So you can't personally make the claim if it is "doable" or not.

Actually I can, because he did and other people I know have done it. So yes, I know its do-able. If it wasnt, they would not be here.

No I did not. Family came over on the boat in '55 from Sicily.

Then, by your logic, you cannot make the claim if it is 'doable' or not.

Avoid making bull@!$%# claims about me and you'll need not worry. Never been suspended once on NV - an impeccable record so far.

The only one peddling in manure seems to be you. And believe me, I have no worry. Ive never been suspended either, not that that has anything to do with anything. Being put on an ignore list and being suspended are very different things.

I know quite a few people living and working here illegally and have talked to them personally. I like them as people, but I don't like the fact that they are here. I am inclined to want to protect my country and its laws first. We have legal ways of helping those in need (e.g., asylum, legal immigration, foreigh aid, etc.). Our system simply can't support the number of people coming here illegally who place a burden on or healthcare and social services. Additionally, there is less and less of a need for unskilled laborers in the American workforce. Due to technological advances (e.g., robotics) factories that used to require thousands of unskilled workers can operate on just a few hundred. Most of the work is being done by technicians and engineers. Our laws were enacted in our best interest and not in the interest of outsiders, which is how it should be.

So just what is it that prevents illegal aliens from having the 'luxury' of following immigration law?

For starters see 1.31.

FL Independent:

If your words did not properly convey what you meant to say then that is your own fault.

You made an incorrect assumption from my words. Not breaking it down for you again...keep lying to yourself - makes no difference to me.

See this is where you brain is having a hard time understanding or you just like to make excuses

No this is where you make it more than obvious you've never actually spoken to a single person who's really struggled from South of the border. When you have no money to eat, there's a gang war going on all around you and the people you would normally to turn to for help (the police) are corrupt. Those aren't excuses - those are just some of the realities that you and I will hopefully never have to live through.

Actually I can, because he did and other people I know have done it. So yes, I know its do-able. If it wasnt, they would not be here.

Comparing when your father came to the US from Jamaica (who knows when but probably not recently) and for this conversation (people who emigrate from Mexico of today) are apples to oranges. Trust me you are not alone with this line of thinking - "well my parents immigrated legally to this country so why can't everyone else". A @!$%#ing ridiculous assumption that any two countries and times throughout history are alike.

Then, by your logic, you cannot make the claim if it is 'doable' or not.

I'm sorry - how many undocumented immigrants do you know again? Your knowledge base on whether immigration can be done legally or not is from your father's experience ;)?

*sigh*. So instead of actually answering the question, you're just going to deflect to your link to a graphic that has been around for years, I've seen a dozen times, and has nothing to do with the question.

*sigh*. So instead of actually answering the question, you're just going to deflect to your link to a graphic that has been around for years, I've seen a dozen times, and has nothing to do with the question.

Christ - so either you don't understand your own question regarding my comment and/or refuse to take the time to connect the dots via the link provided. Oh well...here you go I'm Ringo...some of the luxuries would be as follows...

Have enough money to allow your kids to go to college instead of making them work, obtain a degree, be taught a skilled laborers job, have family in the States, have a job already lined up in the States etc...

Actually, if you honestly thought the link had anything to do with the question, then you failed to understand the question. The only other possibility is that you recognized the fact that the graphic had nothing to do with the question, but made a deliberate attempt to derail.

You claim that many illegal aliens don't have the 'luxury' of obeying American immigration law. None of the things you mention prevent someone from obeying the law.

None of the things you mention prevent someone from obeying the law.

Holy @!$%#...if they are unable to come to the US legally (reasons I mentioned above and listed in the link) and have to come to the US to have a better chance of family survival - yes it does prevent them from obeying the law.

The only other possibility is that you recognized the fact that the graphic had nothing to do with the question, but made a deliberate attempt to derail.

Or it just went right over your head...LOL... ;).

If you are unable to come to the US legally, stay the fu*& out!!! I don't care what you came here for, we don't have any for you. I don't care where you came here from, just get back on the train, plane, boat or jackass you came here on and turn it around. We don't want or need you here. End of story.

and have to come to the US

No such thing.

Or it just went right over your head

Nope, anybody that has looked at the graphic can tell you that there is nothing on there about people being forced to enter or stay in the US illegally.

No such thing.

Well now that you said so...LOL.

Nope, anybody that has looked at the graphic can tell you that there is nothing on there about people being forced to enter or stay in the US illegally.

And then there are others who don't need everything spelled out for them....Do you know what 2+2 equals?

I notice that you STILL avoid even attempting to answer the question. Of course I understand why you cannot explain why illegal aliens cannot obey immigration law: it's because they CAN, but CHOOSE not to abide by the law.

You can certainly continue to make baseless, inaccurate claims....I'm just going to continue to point out how nonsensical they are.

YES, "accomodate their needs"! This phrase recognizes the desperate times they face, but it doesn't condone the unlawful acts they resort to.

Unlawful...LOL...yes stealing someone's SS# is not something I condone however it is a necessary evil for them so they can hold down a job and still pay their taxes.

Their plight is no excuse for breaking the law.

So easy for someone like you and I to say this since we are not facing the dire situation most undocumented immigrants face. It's not our families that are on the brink of devastation...

I'm Ringo:

I notice that you STILL avoid even attempting to answer the question.

Nope - you just don't like my answer.

it's because they CAN, but CHOOSE not to abide by the law.

Oh that's what you wanted to hear...LOL....too @!$%#ing cute ;).

You can certainly continue to make baseless, inaccurate claims....I'm just going to continue to point out how nonsensical they are.

To say they are nonsensical is one thing. To back those assertations up is another - which by the way, you haven't done.

Nope - you just don't like my answer.

Well that is only logical since your 'answer' had nothing to do with the question asked.

To say they are nonsensical is one thing. To back those assertations up is another

Ah yes, backing up your assertions.....which reminds me, are you ever even going to attempt to back up your assertions? I bet that I'm not the only person that would be interested in you explaining your claim that it isn't possible for some people to obey immigration law.

I'll point out the fact that there is no natural force like gravity to force anyone into the US illegally, and I'll point out that there is no magical force propelling them into the US.

Well that is only logical since your 'answer' had nothing to do with the question asked.

You know what I'm Ringo - I heard if you repeat something over and over again eventually it'll magically come true ;).

Ah yes, backing up your assertions.....which reminds me, are you ever even going to attempt to back up your assertions?

Already did - not repeating myself.

I'll point out the fact that there is no natural force like gravity to force anyone into the US illegally, and I'll point out that there is no magical force propelling them into the US.

Money/family survival.

family survival

Does not necessitate illegally entering or staying in the US.....in fact the vast majority of the world population lives outside the US.

Money

Hmmm, most people make money outside the US....so obviously you aren't forced to break the law here in order to make money in the world.

You made an incorrect assumption from my words.

I took your words at face value. The only assumption I made was that your words had value, perhaps that was a mistake.

No this is where you make it more than obvious you've never actually spoken to a single person who's really struggled from South of the border.

Of course, because if I did then it would impossible for me to have any other opinion than to agree with you, right? You dont know jack.

When you have no money to eat, there's a gang war going on all around you and the people you would normally to turn to for help (the police) are corrupt. Those aren't excuses - those are just some of the realities that you and I will hopefully never have to live through.

As I stated numerous times, it will be harder and take longer for some than others. And yes those are excuses. They still come here and break our laws under their own freewill. They could choose to go to several other countries that border or are close by.

Trust me you are not alone with this line of thinking - "well my parents immigrated legally to this country so why can't everyone else". A @!$%#ing ridiculous assumption that any two countries and times throughout history are alike.

I know Im not alone and Im thankful for that. Perhaps if my entire experience was based on just my father and I lived in bubble instead of South Florida, which has a very high illegal immigration population, then you might have be right. But you have made another in a long series of incorrect assumptions and conclusions.

I'm sorry - how many undocumented immigrants do you know again? Your knowledge base on whether immigration can be done legally or not is from your father's experience ;)?

Really? So you are going to tell me who I know and what their statuses are? Thats truly laughable. You continue to show you have no idea what you are talking about and make ridiculous assumptions you cannot begin to back up.

and aliens are voters to our politicians

I'd recommend any American citizen going to a Maryland school lie about their country of origin and their citizenship status.

Time to polish up that Aussie accent, and say you caught a ride on a passing freighter and snuck into the US.

Goodday mate, I'm here for that in-state tuition.

Crikey.

Just don't move to California. Here is (D) Sen. Gil Cedillo's great idea:

US Citizen caught driving without a license = car impounded
Illegal alien caught driving without a license = sent merrily on their way

Rewarding people for breaking the law? One more benefit of the California lifestyle.

I couldn't agree with you more.